Richard Price of Llangeinor

By Gerald Jarvis

Richard Price was born at Tyn Ton farm on February 23rd in 1723.His father was Rhys Price, a Dissenting preacher. Rhys was considered quite ‘well off’ because on the death of his first wife Mary, he had inherited all her property and money! He was well known for being quick tempered and very fiery: one of the earliest stories told of Richard is that he was reading a book written by a clergyman with differing views from his father, when Rhys Price stormed in, snatched the book from Richard’s hands and threw it into the fire! Young Richard was then subjected to a barrage of verbal abuse.

Richard’s early life in Llangeinor is not too well documented, but we do know that he enjoyed riding and walking in the surrounding mountains. He spent his summers at the farms of several relatives in Southerndown where he learnt to rock climb and swim in the sea, and at Brombil farm, Margam. It was at Brombil that a window pane was discovered with the name ‘Richard Price’ scratched into it.

Although his father was not an approachable man Richard’s mother Catherine was more than able to make up for any awkwardness.  Catherine Price was Rhys’s second wife, and by all contemporary accounts “witty, pretty and wise” as the daughter of a Bridgend doctor. Unfortunately her beauty and wit were all she brought to her marriage as she appeared to have had no dowry or property of her own.

Richard was educated at home until he was 10 by a tutor called Mr Peters, a local man; Richard did start at a school in Bridgend but had to be removed because the master was too bad tempered! His first actual school was in Neath where he  spent 2 years, and he was then moved to Pentwyn in Carmarthenshire. After he had been there for 3 years he finally ended up in Talgarth, Breconshire,to be educated for the sum of £5.00 per term. His father had hopes of turning him into a merchant.

When he was studying at Talgarth Richard got news that his beloved mother was ill. He then proceeded to walk the 50 miles back home to visit her and then walked back-this was in the dead of winter.

In 1739 Rhys Price died. It was expected that Rhys would have settled any money etc. on his wife and children, but it did not happen in this case. Rhys for some reason left his money and properties etc to his eldest son John by his first marriage. His widow Catherine and her two daughters got nothing, not even the house. Richard, who was 16 at the time, did receive a gift of £400 pounds which he promptly gave over to his two sisters for their education.

Richard continued his education at Talgarth and Pentwyn until he was 18,and after his mother’s death in 1741 he became of a more serious frame of mind and decided to enter into the Ministry.He wrote to an uncle in London for advice and help in his training and was invited to stay. Unfortunately Richard had no means of getting there so he went to his elder brother John Price,who was by now a very prosperous man. John replied “That as you are determined to go to London, then I suppose I will lend you a horse as far as Cardiff”. When Richard got to Cardiff he stabled the horse and continued on to Bristol on foot,and  with the help of lifts on carts and coaches he finally reached London.

On arrival in London he took up lodgings above a Barber/Surgeons shop in Pudding Lane,”near to where the fire was”. It was whilst doing this he became more and more interested in Sciences, Mathematics and Calculus, but he was still quite poor and was largely self taught. One time he was given a gift  of 10 pounds to purchase a set of pocket globes for an experiment, but Richard sent the money once again to his sisters instead. He often visited his sisters, who by now had moved from Tyn Ton and were living in Parcgwyllt, Bridgend, where he spent his holidays every Autumn and enjoyed the reputation of being a fearless rider,walker and swimmer when visiting friends and relatives at nearby houses and farms.

When Richard finished his studies he got a position as Chaplain/Companion to a Mr Streatfield, a wealthy man with a large family, and became a great friend of them all. It was through the Streatfields that  Richard met many influential people of his day who later became lifelong friends. His position gave him opportunities to apply to become a minister at Newington Green which also brought a small income.

In 1756 Richard was further freed from his money worries by two inheritances which enabled him to foster his scientific interests, and furthermore enabled him to marry. His bride was Sarah Blundell, of Belgrave, Leicestershire. She was delicate, and prone to illness, but brought with her a dowry of a £1,000 pounds. By all accounts they were a devoted couple although they had no children, but their house was always full of nieces and nephews visiting.

They moved to a house in Newington Green, London,(which still stands today)and set up home, and it soon became a social hub for free thinkers. Richard corresponded with a great many important people: politicians, revolutionaries, and scientists,  about all sorts of subjects, and became more and more  involved in writing pamphlets which were embarrassing to the government of the day and also deemed to be anti-royalist, which made Richard as many powerful enemies as he now had powerful friends.

In 1761, Richard was asked to go through the private papers of a dead friend, a Mr Bayes, a mathematician, and  Richard discovered that amongst  the papers was an unfinished formula for working out life expectancy. Richard  finished the work and even improved on it, and presented it to the life assurance companies; they are still used today. A story goes that his hair turned white overnight  because he found an anomaly in a very famous mathematician’s work and not only put it right but actually improved upon it.

As a preacher he was often asked to visit other chapels to speak. He became well known in the surrounding districts, because he was always dressed in a black riding outfit and boots sitting astride a one-eyed white pony; the locals used to call out “Hi there! look out for the good Doctor”.

He was described physically as being below middle size, strong-featured, and with an intelligent eye. The only portrait of him was painted when Richard had had a fall from his horse and was incapacitated: he was in a lot of pain when it was painted, as is evident by his expression in the finished work!.

Always immersed in a book, Richard would often take walks in the fields near his home. One day he came  home  minus his silver coat buttons and shoe buckles and he had no explanation other than he had been ‘mugged’ and he hadn’t noticed!.On another occasion as he was  out walking he came across a bird trap with some birds caught in it. He released the birds and walked on, but a little further on he realised that his action could result in someone losing money or even starving by his actions, so he returned to the trap and put some gold coins in it!.

Apart from writing supporting letters and pamphlets on the subject of Liberty and Human rights, Richard Price also involved himself in advising the pre- revolutionary French government in ways to resolve their financial problems. His help was deemed so great that on his death the French National Assembly declared 6 days of National Mourning throughout France.

In 1769 he was made an Honorary Doctor of Divinity by  the University of Glasgow. He also  joined the Royal Society as a Fellow, and was made a Freeman of the City of London. In this country he was regarded as a dangerous man with his ideas of all men being created equal, and was frequently accused of treason, but that did not stop Prime Minister William Pitt contacting Richard Price and asking him to come up with an idea to solve the National Debt,  which was currently standing at £140,000,000. Richard came up with 3 schemes! He advised  that the first plan  would be the best option but not popular:  Pitt however took the ‘easy’ third option to please the voters and even then did not stick to it, and so it failed. Pitt  never acknowledged Price’s efforts publicly.(However n 1782 he was offered the post of Private Secretary to the then Prime Minister, Lord Shelburne, but with typical modesty Price turned the offer down.)

In 1773 he wrote a public letter to the American people supporting their cause for Self Government. In it he declared that that they should not submit to ‘taxation without representation’ and that “He would rather throw English tea into the sea than pay an unjust tax upon it to an unjust government”. As a direct result of this letter Americans in Boston boarded three ships: the Eleanor, the Beaver, and the Dartmouth, and threw 45 tons of tea into the harbour!.This action prompted the British government to blockade Boston harbour and start what was to be known as the American Revolution.

Richard Price, despite all his political and religious writings was still a practising Minister of the Church and went every day to preach all over London. It was while riding to church one day that he saw a man  struggling in the river; Richard galloped his horse further downstream, dismounted and handed his reins, hat, wig and coat to a nearby angler and dived in and saved the man. When he got him onto the riverbank, Richard discovered that the man had been attempting suicide because he had no money. Richard  then gave him his purse and coat, mounted his horse, and continued on his way.

In 1776 he received a letter from the then newly formed American Congress inviting him and his family to take up full American citizenship with a salary and land if he would become their Financial Regulator(Chancellorof the Exchequer).Price turned down this most generous offer declaring himself too old for the travel.

Just after his book on Civil Liberty was published, he was approached  by the Duke of Cumberland who stated “Price! I have read your damned book until I am blind!”.Richard responded: “Well my Lord, that is indeed remarkable, for I have been told it has opened the eyes of mankind!”.

Throughout  his life Richard Price was never quite satisfied with his preaching abilities; he did not think he had the passion to hold a congregation. Strangely, he also thought that his work with mathematics was frivolous, and that the time spent on some of his writings was ‘mis-spent’.

Sadly, Sarah his wife suffered a stroke in 1783 and was semi paralysed. Richard did all he could to ease her discomfort and spent a lot of time with her, playing cards and talking to her. Sarah died in 1786, and although her death was  long expected, Richard was very affected by this for some time.

Richard Price died at home in 1791,and was buried in Bunhill fields cemetery in London. His tomb is  as modest as the man it contains, and is still standing.

My sources for this information Are The National Library for Wales
A book called A Welsh Family written in 1825
Newington Green website
Bunhill Fields website
Mr M Maddock
A memoir of Dr Price by W Morgan
17 comments Add yours
  1. i think there was a link with richard and ann thomas the maid of cefn ydfa… cousins i think

  2. Dear Peter, You are correct about the Price family connection. Anne (the Maid) mother was Rice Price’s sister. I hope you enjoyed the write up it was done as a request by Bridgend Reach organisation to accompany a forthcoming walk up to Tynton. I tried to find out about the man rather than the mathmetician . He certainly lived in interesting times.
    Gerald Jarvis

  3. hello, I enjoyed this page and the human approach to dr prices story. my father’s father’s side were apparently living at tynton 1890s and early 1900s according to census returns, at this time the family appears to change from fermwyr cymraeg to english speaking colliers and mine engineers. this side of my family have been a bit of a mystery, does this scion have any relation to dr price?

  4. Dear Gareth,
    Thank you for the comment. As far as I can tell R price did not have any children of his own. But accounts relate that his house in Newington Green was always filled with his young neices and nephews?. So he must have enjoyed their company. I wish I knew a bit more about his life at Tyn ton. We have a very old photograph of Tyn ton in our archive, and I took some photo’s last year to compare but the place is terribly overgrown it is difficult to compare.
    Glad you liked the write-up
    gerald jarvis

  5. Dear Gareth Thomas
    I know someone named Thomas Thomas and Trevor Thomas who lived at Tynton farm ( now living in Ogmore Vale). They are now in their 70’s . These are probably relatives of the thomas family you are related to.

  6. Well; I’m an older T.T (90) son of Demetrius, grandson of William (Butcher) of Pontycymmer, who, I believe, was born at Tynton Farm. Is there a family tree at least from his father down please and where does Job fit in?

  7. my grandmother is related to will hopkins, she also had the same surname and she went on to marry a william price of pontycymmer.

  8. I’m a relation of Dr Richard Price through my GGGGG grandmother – Mary Davy. Mary was Dr Prices niece (daughter of his sister Elizabeth Price). . I have a copy of Mary’s Will in which she mentions her Uncle. I imagine there are hundreds of cousins scatterred about the world – probably still many in Wales as well. I noticed that Tynton was for sale some time ago .. it would be great to see the property restored and made open to the public for visitation. I’d love to visit the place of my ancestors. .. it would be pretty special.

  9. I often ate at Tyn ton farm in the 70s when it was owned by my neighbours Merlin and Anequin Carpenter who had many tales of Richard Price and of the American tourists who came to visit.

  10. This is for Trevor Thomas.
    Trevor can you please get in touch with me ? I have some relatives who are anxious to contact you. If anyone knows Trevor can they please ask him to get in contact.
    gerald jarvis

  11. Hi Gerald ,Trefor Thomas is my first cousin ,his father was Gwilym Thomas and it was his father and my father plus the rest of their siblings lived at Tyn-Ton farm ,I will go and see Trefor for you .

  12. I have made a study of the nine children of my ancestors, Thomas and Elizabeth Thomas of Gelli’ron Farm. They had at least 52 grandchildren some of whom with the surname Thomas lived at Tynton during the late 1880s onwards.

  13. A new Masonic lodge was formed at Bridgend in 1777. It’s first Master was Richard Price (1723-1791)

  14. When we visited the Boston Tea Party museum in Boston no mention was made of the role of Richard Price in the lead up of that event. Have you been in touch with this museum because it would be a wonderful link between Boston and Llangeinor? Visiting the museum was a wonderful experience and had we realised the connection we would have raised it with staff. I belong to the Moore family of Rose Cottage, Llangeinor although sadly no one in the family live in the village anymore.

    Thank you for this. I have so enjoyed reading it.

  15. We also visited the Boston Tea Party Museum in Boston and did not realize the role of Richard Price in dumping the tea in the harbor. His sister Sarah married Mr. William Morgan who is our descendant. His nephew George Cadogan Morgan, Sr. was Sarah and William Morgan’s Son. He is referred to in many items by Mr. Price. I am so enjoying the research into our ancestors. We would love to visit Wales in the future. Is there anyone there that could tell us if there is anything left to see such as graves, markers, etc.

  16. Colin Thomas Davies i’d be interested to hear about your research into the Thomas family. I found out only last week that my grandfather was Thomas Thomas – a descendant of Thomas and Elizabeth via another TT of Llwyn-y-ffynon farm – then John of Tynton, then Griffith – butcher in Pontycymer. I thought I’d got back to Margaret Thomas and possibly husband Morgan but not sure – there was a baptism record of 11 Oct 1776 at St John Baptist Church in Glyncorrwg.

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